Mobile Suit Breakdown: the Gundam Anime Podcast
A Companion Podcast for All 40 Years of Gundam
MSB is a weekly Gundam podcast for new fans, old fans, and not yet fans. Nina (a Gundam first-timer) and Thom (a lifelong Gundam fan) analyze, review, and research all 40-years of the iconic sci-fi anime mega-franchise Mobile Suit Gundam in the order it was made. We research its influences, examine its themes, and discuss how each piece of the Gundam canon fits within the changing context in Japan and the world, from 1979 to today. Part history podcast, part discussion podcast, all Gundam podcast.

2.40: No Rest for the Wicked

Show Notes

This week, we recap, review, and provide analysis of Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam (機動戦士Ζガンダム) episode 39 - "By the Lake" (湖畔), discuss our first impressions, and provide commentary and research on "fortress" Switzerland and indirect kissing.

- Wikipedia pages for the National Redoubt, Swiss armed forces, and "defense in depth."

- Probably the first time article I ever read (way back in the day!) about Switzerland's national defense:

Kolenberg, Steve. “The 5 Most Secretly Badass Countries.”,, 20 Feb. 2013,

- Article referencing the John McPhee book, La Place de la Concorde Suisse (with several quotations):

Manaugh, Geoff. “Various Forms of Lithic Disguise.” BLDGBLOG, BLDGBLOG, 16 Dec. 2015,

- Another article discussing the self-sabotage, hidden facilities, and disguised facilities that are part of Switzerland's defenses (includes photographs):

Kohlstedt, Kurt. “Self Sabotage: The Strange Swiss History of Rigging Vital Infrastructure to Explode.” 99% Invisible, 1 Nov. 2019,

- Background articles for indirect kissing:

Chris Kincaid, A Look at Gender Expectations in Japanese Society, for Japan Powered (July 7, 2013). Available at

Chris Kincaid, Dating and Marriage in Japan, for Japan Powered (July 27, 2014). Available at

- Wikipedia page on group dating, including a brief blurb about gokon dating. - Stories from the darker side of gokon dating:

Cara Clegg, The ugly truth of 'gokon,' Japan's group blind dates, for Japan Today (Sep. 29, 2014). Available at

- entry for indirect kiss/間接キス.

- Warning - the following sources were chosen because they give insight into the way people think and talk about "indirect kisses". They should not be relied upon for the truth of their content, and MSB does not endorse the sources or the statements made thereon:

Jeff, 5 seduction techniques used by Japanese women, for Available at is a dating service aimed at cross-cultural dating and with a specific focus on English-speaking westerners who want to date Japanese people.

"Does he care? The 9 patterns of male psychology that can be understood by his reaction to an indirect kiss!" from Japanese-language relationship advice website Sugoren. March 24, 2020. Available at

"The 13 psychological types of men who kiss indirectly! How to tell if his pulse races for you!" from Japanse-language list-making site Rank Best. August 19, 2019. Available at

"What are the hidden feelings of a man when he kisses you indirectly?" from Japanese-language romantic advice website Koimemo. October 23, 2019. Available at

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